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imeeji_frontstage2018-10-25 06:52 pm
worldlyafflictions) wrote in imeeji_frontstage2018-10-25 06:52 pm
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Who: pep!pep!
Where: Dorms and elsewhere
When: Day 52
[Busy busy]
Where: Dorms and elsewhere
When: Day 52
[Busy busy]
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We don't got the reputation ta be hardasses about it immediately anyway.
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We still need to have this conversation, though.
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I'm kinda expecting everybody ta just do things how they wanna in the end, but gotta have some guidelines since no matter what we each decide ta do about it, it'll fall on all of us one way or another... Whether it's how people think we're supposed ta handle requests, or stuff that's gonna mess with internal cohesion like whether or not ta pass on a request, which'll fall on someone else... Hopefully not communication in general, but [shrugs. At least half this team seems to be stress smilers, it's probably inevitable.]
1/? breaking it up because here comes A Lot
[Taps at his chin, think think...]
It seems like we're trying to solve two different -- but related -- problems.
First, how do we discourage people from taking death lightly, now that it's reversible?
Second, how do we make this fair for pep!pep!, who is going to be affected by deaths whether we discourage it or not?
2/?
We could try charging points for revives, the way sensitIV does for healing, but we run into the problem of who do we charge?
The victim can't pay until after they're revived, so they could always just choose not to pay. In the event of murder, how on Eos do we get the murderer to pay for the death they caused? Asking the victim's friends or unitmates to pay for them feels like holding the victim hostage. (Though, I guess, the potential pressure unitmates could put on each other to avoid that inconvenience could work in our favor.)
We also talked about shaming the community so the penalty comes in the form of reduced social standing. Shaming a victim for a death that wasn't their fault, or a death that happened in an extreme situation, is really discompassinate and honestly, I don't like it. Shaming the one who was at fault for the death has the potential of rewarding bad behavior with attention, and may have the opposite effect from what we're aiming for.
Another point I've heard is that the people who are the most inclined to murder aren't the ones who are likely to be discouraged, no matter what we peps do. Bringing their victim back to life is going to be more inconvenient for them in the end, so ensuring their murder doesn't stick is its own deterrent. This one could go either way -- either it works, or it sets off a chain reaction where people just murder each other back and forth and we have to clean it up.
One last option I can think of is an appeal to the community. Nearly everyone I've met so far is kind and doesn't want to cause harm, if they can help it. If we make a PSA that says something to the effect of "yes, we can and will do it, but it's sad and sometimes traumatic for us. Please don't take revives for granted because this is a thing that hurts us." Then we can at least appeal to the kindness of the community, and the social pressure it can leverage.
3/3 done
First of all, nobody should be forced to deal with something they're not comfortable with. Between all of us and our different comfort levels, we should be able to take care of anything that comes up (I hope.)
It might be a good idea for all of us to think about our own comfort levels, what kind of things we would or not be able to deal with, in what... conditions... we are comfortable seeing bodies come in. And then share those thoughts with the rest of pep!pep! so we can work out a system that is most compassionate toward our members.
Another thing we could each do is set our own prices and our own terms. For example, if you really don't want to do it, set a high price, high enough that the compensation helps ease your own personal discomfort.
Each of us can come up with our own price, and then we'll be able to moderate demand for our own particular services. And, of course, we can always raise or waive our prices according to the situation.
Beyond that, I don't know what else to do... any ideas?
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Ah... in terms of gettin' people to pay for stuff, maybe we could ask Taisho for help? With contracts? This would mean coming up with something really detailed and specific, but it could also serve as a guarantee...
Then again, it's not like we can force everyone to enter a contract like that. But still, if we can think of something...
—Oh, and I was wondering too. What happens if somebody dies in the middle of a game and we can use your powers? So far, it seems like everybody gets revived at the end of things anyway, so how should we act in cases like that?
[sorry, this only raised more questions]
I feel like letting everyone set their own terms and prices is what works best, since we all have different feelings and thoughts about this all... but maybe setting some general, basic rules for it that we can all adhere too might help.
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Yeah, we could enforce payments with a Taisho contract, but I don't know if we can force someone to sign it any easier than we could force them to pay in the first place. The only way I can think of is to refuse service to anyone who doesn't sign, but that would mean all of us sticking to our guns and not reviving someone who didn't sign, and I don't know if we can collectively be that ruthless, or if we even want to be.
Ah... I forgot about game stuff.
Could we agree to NOT revive anyone during games, if we have the option to do so? If it's a game where people are dying, we could risk reviving someone just for them to die horribly a second time. That would be a drag.
Maybe a rule that nobody gets revived until the danger has passed?
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I'd rather deal with community update style stuff cause it's just our own opinions anyway. It's mostly a way ta compensate for all craziness we're gonna put up with in a way that doesn't rely on killers 'n killees 'n makes our opinions on dealing with it known. If we're lucky it'll exert that social pressure.
I guess setting our own prices makes sense in it's own way, but I'd be more pissed about people taking advantage of some of ya for taking it too easy in the moment than any of the personal comfort stuff...
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When you say "community update," is that the same as what you were talking about before? A PSA of announcing that people have died? Is that just a way of personally blowing off steam about the situation, or do you see it having some other purpose?
Hmm... I see what you mean, about some of us being easy to take advantage of in the moment. Maybe we could do revivals in pairs? One person to do the actual revival, and another for support, to make sure they don't get bullied? You and Senpai would probably really good at that, actually.
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Long story short, people shouldn't be forced to do revives they don't feel comfortable with. There's enough of us to step in and take over.