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Who: Everyone
Where: Individual unit dorms
When: During Day 116

[ At some point during the day, Talon has visited each unit to deliver the preliminary assignments for the protection plan. Maybe he knocked on a unit's door, maybe he slipped a note into someone's pocket, maybe he used morse code! However it was delivered, units have their preliminary assignments and may use this post to discuss them amongst themselves. ]

[ OOC: Per request, an IC post for units to have any IC discussion they may want. 100% optional! Also: if you would like a thread with Talon for any reason, please ping me either on discord or plurk and I will hop in after work, but otherwise this is just for unit discussion among themselves.

Please use the unit top levels to keep things organized, thank you! ♥

EDIT FOR CLARITY:

For convenience sake, please assume all units know who they are assigned to protect, and who has been assigned to protect them

Units do not have access to the complete list yet. Talon would have explained that this is because it may still be adjusted if there are any objections at this stage, if asked.

Talon is present in WC's thread and I am 100% open to getting tagged there if anyone wants a thread with him and doesn't wanna ping for whatever reason. ]

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Well, we did list them as a preference.

[W. . . WRY. . .]

Before the shit with Sekhmet happened.

[ wow cool fun watching this happen because of a grudge. Gonna. Have to interject.]

SensitIV are not bad people. Levi is an exceptionally kind an honorable person--Lacender was kind and gentle--Anubis is very smart, and also means well! Persephone has also never done anything to hurt us, or anyone else--he's quiet, and shy. And their newest member is also someone who wants to help people.

I understand that you aren't about to forgive Sekhmet. I will admit that Lucifel's judgment can be--askance, and I'm not sure that Nya is not also extremely brash. However--Lucifel has been attacked by Doodleman multiple times without retaliating out of hate. I don't believe that any of them are so awful deep down. But even if one or two of them were--I don't think it's fair to project that onto their entire unit. Is it so hard to faith in the decency of any of them because of the actions of one or two?

[holding up a hand at her immediately]

That's not what I'm saying.

The character of the individuals on sensitIV doesn't matter to me right now. Good bad, stupid, smart, whatever. . . what matters is whether the people on this unit are comfortable enough trusting sensitIV as a unit a with our lives.

[gestures to Hurricane and King]

At least two people here have incidents with members of sensitIV that make them understandably wary to give that trust. Those same two people understand that yours and Abi's connection to the unit means we can at least believe that they won't leave us hanging.

You're not wrong in that sensitIV probably has individuals who are trustworthy and "good." But they're not wrong for being worried that the members who aren't may somehow override the rest of the team when it matters the most.

[ OKAY YES but like. ]

This isn't an arrangement that's set in stone. If SensitIV fails to come through, then we die--once--which is something we've always known could happen anyway, with or without this agreement. In fact, it did happen--so we'd be no worse off than the first time the collars happened.

If the outcome of trusting them is our deaths, then their failure will then made publicly known to everyone--and sensitIV would be removed from the agreement and we would be arranged with some other unit to protect us. It would place a very, very large target on SensitIV's backs to be the one who reneged on their promise.

I don't really know if some people on sensitIV really care about their public reputation.

[thinking back to Lucifer at the trial. . . and the recent thing with Sekhmet]

But you're right; we can't do any worse than we did last time, which was have our heads blown off, so. . .

[he's still wary, still not completely happy, but he has no real objections to the arrangement]

Caring about their reputation isn't the same as caring about their safety. And it's one thing when you take an action without consulting your unitmates, knowing that ultimately your actions shouldn't reflect on the the rest of them to the majority of people, as opposed to the group agreeing to break a pact that they've all already agreed to. If you are the only unit out of twelve to act deliberately in the disinterest of the majority, then you open yourself to retaliation.

However, that's just my opinion. If things work out adversely, I'll accept responsibility.

[they were also the only unit at that trial who decided mass killing a bunch of people was the way to prove themselves, Mars thinks. but he doesn't say that aloud, because he's immediately distracted by something else]

-- what?

No. Why would you need to accept responsibility? You aren't sensitIV. Their choices are theirs, not yours.

[ "That was Lucifel, Santa, and Loki acting on their own--two of whom aren't even here anymore--after they were put at gunpoint and told to seed conflict!!!" is what she would reply in return. but that's not the argument we're getting to have anymore ;P ]

You, Hurricane, and King are only willing to even consider this because Levi is one of my people, and I'm the only one that really seems to be of any mind to actually want to accept that. So if things go wrong, it's also on my shoulders.

[THAT IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING]

[also, gives her a bland, unimpressed look]

No it isn't.

[REACHES OUT TO PAP HER CHEEKS]

And we're not going to let you take responsibility for someone else's choices just because you have more faith in them than we do. That's fine; the three of us might be wary, but that doesn't mean you having faith is wrong. And it definitely doesn't mean that you're responsible if they fuck it up.

[ avoided fights are... good...

she doesn't really like being one-upped by Mars though. Also she doesn't really want to fight with him anymore. Also she would kind of like to push that face he's making into the dirt a little.

...

She'll settle for a little bullying. ]

Mars if you keep touching my face I'm going to hug you and tell you what a good boy you are and pet your hair.

[HE DESERVES TO BE PUSHED INTO THE DIRT]

You wouldn't dare.

[ This is sensitIV shittiness erasure and honestly he's not impressed with it.

But MORE importantly and productively: ]

I can agree to it if it's as Mars suggested - reciprocal. Our lives tied to theirs.

Otherwise, no, I don't trust them. Do I trust Levi and Anubis? Yes. Do I trust the rest of the unit should those two not be present? No.

I don't see that we have a choice, though. You can ask Talon if there's no way to assure a mutual arrangement for us, but--consider how hard it was for us in that last game to choose people that we wanted to go after. We all have different priorities for protection--as well as for not protecting. I'm sure the feeling's mutual.

...

[ hell she might as well just be. explicitly clear on this. ]

I've done things--bad things--to hurt people on other units in games--things that I don't expect I will ever be forgiven for. .... I may not be the only one. And in that case--it may be that there wasn't unanimous agreement to prioritize us.

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As for trust--I understand that it's asking a lot. But... isn't it a lot to ask people to trust as well? .... In the past--it's not as though we ever went out of our way to protect Taisho. And they were also among the number of units who were forced to perform in that Trial. Even now--at least half of us may very well be under some kind of compulsion from Heaven. Who's to say we couldn't become compromised again?

. . .

It's not fair to compare your actions to theirs, Hiryuu. They act out of a dark and self-satisfied bloodlust. You don't.

[ But. That's not the point. He just can't let the implication go without commenting on it. ]

As for the arrangement... my trust is not given first and revoked later. It's earned. And it's not something that can be asked of me.

[ . . . ]

But I'll agree to it for now, because it's not as if the outcome can get any worse for us. However, to be clear: should it backfire, I'm not so forgiving as to overlook that going forward. That would be a deliberate act of malice rather than a random mistake.

[ SHE DISAGREES!!! But she also doesn't know about Sekhmet's... deal. And she's not going to argue this with King either. She's tired, he's hurting--and she doesn't want to fight. ]

... If SensitIV betrays us then they'll take responsibility. I will as well.

[ Since. It seems like she's the only one who is actually really willing to put herself on the line for this. MIGHT AS WELL! GO ALL IN! ]

—No.

Their actions are not your responsibility. Only theirs.

You're only willing to go along with this because a Special Person of mine and Abi's is on sensitIV, right? You, Mars, and Hurricane. And I'm the only one who seems to be encouraging we accept our assignment. In that case, it's only right that I accept my share of the blame if this leap of faith should end with us on the rocks.

[ More firmly this time: ]

No.

You have faith in the people you care about... and there's nothing wrong with that, even if I can't bring myself to share that faith myself. And as long as I'm here, I won't see you punished for it.

[ and also if sensitIV did betray them, he's pretty sure that itself would be worse punishment than anything ]

[ inhale

exhale. ]

I suppose we'll see what happens then.

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